posted 06/09/08 09:30 AM

Can art walls curb tagging?

Tagging can be a drag. One way to help those with a spraycan habit find better targets is to create tagger-friendly walls where it's ok to make your mark. I've liked the idea as a friendly way to try to improve the tagging situation on the Hill.

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But this Slog post -- Taggers Ruining It For Everyone Else -- is a disappointing read. William Bloxom made a wall available at his South Seattle warehouse but it sounds like taggers haven't been willing to contain themselves to the art wall.
... as the wall has grown more popular, neighbors say it has brought litter, noise, and problems with parking and tagging to the area.

"[So far] the city’s been pretty passive," Bloxom says, "but there are other issues with people down here... creating a leverage point [for] the city." Bloxom says he's been hearing complaints from neighbors about his "European-style…monolithic sketchpad" and he's worried his wall may end up disappearing like the long-gone art walls at the Comet or the Vogue, two bars on Capitol Hill. "Every single wall that's come alive like this has gone away," he says.


Only one example. Anybody know of other art walls with better results?
Tags: graffiti, tagging,, crime
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Your tagger gets around
The person who tagged your fence also tagged the inside of the pedestrian overpass in the arboretum recently.

~GC
Comment by The Gay Curmudgeon
June 09, 2008
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Teen Dweeb
That tagger is up all over the hill. Another teenage idiot who has no friends and crying for attention.
Comment by Mike
June 09, 2008
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another graffiti wall
there used to be one behind conworks in south lake union, not sure if it's still up or not though. the problem with a dedicated wall is that some taggers aren't content to just tag it, they want to tag everything.

i've had some taggers tell me they see themselves as vandals (and are proud of it) and couldn't care less about anyone else's property; so dedicated walls don't really interest them.
Comment by jason
June 09, 2008
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Ineffective Walls
I think those who think walls can decrease the pervasive problem of graffiti in our city are deluding themselves. The vast majority of taggers and graffiti "artists" are angry punks who only want to piss people off, and in order to do so vandalize as many public and private surfaces as possible. The small number of actual artists who do graffiti art would perhaps use a wall, but they are a tiny percentage of the total vandals.

A similar situation: At Broadway E/E. Harrison on Capitol Hill, there has been a community bulletin board in place for many years. The idea was to have a place where most postering could be done, and to decrease postering elsewhere, but it has had no effect on the prolific illegal postering in our neighborhood.
Comment by Bob
June 10, 2008
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RE: Ineffective Walls
Eh, I'm pro-poster. It's a great way to reach people (we've done some for community council events) and there's no real good way to regulate it. Illegal?
Comment by jseattle
June 10, 2008
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Postering regulations
Ok, maybe "illegal" isn't the right word. But SDOT has had a set of regulations in place since January, 2003...and I think they are a reasonable compromise between those who like postering and those who don't. The regs outline what cannot be done, such as gluing posters up, covering over other posters, using certain structures (such as traffic control signs), etc. But, unfortunately, those who poster are either oblivious to these regs or are intentionally ignoring them. For instance, jseattle, do you remove your posters after the event date has passed, as the regs require?
Comment by Bob
June 12, 2008
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RE: Postering regulations
I went out to do just that and found most had been removed for me. How nice! I do need to clean up a few remaining CHCC election notices from 15th Ave still.
Comment by jseattle
June 12, 2008
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art wall
It doesn't seem like an art wall would ever lessen tagging. Tagging is about marking your territory.

However, I think art walls are really awesome. It gives everyone a great place to expend some creative energy and helps keep the enthusiasm of local artists up and in the area.

I'm very concerned about the flavor of Cap Hill going away as prices keep going up here. However, even folks who live in condos make art. Lets keep encouraging the artists around here!
Comment by Katy
June 12, 2008
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Postering
That's good that you made an effort to remove your posters, jseattle, but unfortunately you are probably the only person who has done so in the past few years. The reason that most of your posters had already disappeared is that there are alot of Seattleites who do not like our public spaces littered and trashed with posters...as hard as it is for you to believe.

By the way, I do think that posters for community events are OK, as long as they conform with SDOT's regulations, and are removed promptly and completely when the event has passed. Ditto for posters looking for lost pets.
Comment by Bob
June 13, 2008
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