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posted
09/09/09 11:40 PM
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09/09/09 11:40 PM
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Copy cats
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| Did they actually steal your graphic as well? KOMO is brutal! | |
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Eric P
5 months ago
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RE: Copy cats
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| no, pretty sure the graphic was in the flyer from the organizers. (I also got a copy today) | |
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josh
5 months ago
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calling pro-bono lawyers
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| There's got to be a lawyer in this town who just wants to sue someone and won't charge you a cent. You won't win, but damn it will be fun to watch. | |
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JackV
5 months ago
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Losers
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| What a sack of lying losers. Why aren't I surprised though? | |
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Lou
5 months ago
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way to call them out on it!
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| we've been copy-catted several times as well. good job calling those responsible out on their actions! i hope it does some good. | |
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Thea @ QAV
5 months ago
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left feed back on their site.
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i've sent a message to KOMO asking regarding their policies on taking work without citing, and also posted a comment on the actual article on their site. Wondering if they'll actually respond to either. |
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Vince
5 months ago
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Big Brother
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I am a bit outraged ... that our activity at CHS is being so meticulously tracked. Do you also track the site previously visited prior to CHS and the site we navigate to following CHS? A privacy policy would be nice. |
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Z-O
5 months ago
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RE: Big Brother
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Hey Z, my analytics system is no different than most every other site on the web you visit. And CHS doesn't even run some of the big 'enterprise' level analytics systems like you'll find on AMZN or MSFT sites. For a quick view of what system a site you visit is using, check out: http://www.webanalyticsdemystified.com/vendor_discovery_tool Collecting the IP address of a site visitor is nothing new and some systems even expose the information on comments (we don't) -- it's built into many message board solutions, for example. Here's komo's analytics info, for example: http://www.webanalyticsdemystified.com/vendor_discovery_tool That being said, I will think about producing a privacy policy distinct to the site. Our Terms of Use is here http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/termsofservice |
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jseattle
5 months ago
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RE: Big Brother
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There's probably a significant difference between the collection of voluminous IP data by, for instance, Google (not they I would ever use Google anyway) for analytics and the collection of a more intimate level of detail followed by person-actuated traces of that data to an individual source and then the publication of that sources internet activity online, as happened in the above post. While, given the nature of KOMO's activity, this was probably a reasonable use would it be within bounds of expectation if, say, the next time I post a comment here with which the sitemaster disagrees that my personal information will be "outed" online? Obviously a precedent was set here and it would be nice to know how much tracking data the site plans to use in the fulfillment of vendettas. |
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Zan Ozimek
5 months ago
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Komo pulled the post
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5 months ago
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RE: Komo pulled the post
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| And it's magically back | |
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jseattle
5 months ago
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RE: Komo pulled the post
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| but they erased all the comments that were there on the post... which I must say is pretty hilarious because the only comments that were there, were Z-O accusing CHS of censoring comments, then KOMO went and deleted the whole comment thread. So Z-O, aren't you going to rant here about KOMO censoring your comments about CHS censoring your comments? | |
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Comment by
cheesecake
5 months ago
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I wonder
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| What the *other* Seattle news organizations would think of this story. | |
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Hmmm
5 months ago
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Clarification
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I walked into this conversation via a post on lostremote.com, so forgive me if I'm prematurely posting, but I just want to understand your complaint. You're mad that another blog posted about an event they learned about from your blog? Is that right? Or is this because they didn't cite you in their post? I just want to figure out why your site gets a monopoly on stories you break. Forgive me if I'm jumping to conclusions or have misinterpreted your complaint. I love a good new media discussion. |
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Olsen
5 months ago
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RE: Clarification
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I'd love to know this too. That sounds exactly like what it is, which is what EVERYONE does online. How many times has this site posted about news found on other sites again? Or is this argument because "The Man" did it? |
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Andrew
5 months ago
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RE: Clarification
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| I don't understand either. They didn't copy you word for word, and the PDF wasn't produced by you, just linked by you. So, please help us understand why you own this story. | |
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Mike
5 months ago
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RE: Clarification
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I'm also a little confused about the complaint -- blogs pick up stories from each other all the time. If the issue is lack of citation, then that's *completely* valid and should be clarified -- it's true that it's common blog etiquette to at least add a little [via] link at the end of a post filled with content found elsewhere online. But getting angry about content sharing in the blogosphere is a quick way to drive yourself insane. It happens ... and the best you can do is be clear about how you want to be cited when it does. My humble advice (as someone who's been blogging since 2000 and makes her living doing social media work): Rather than rail at KOMO for viewing you as a valid news source, try respectfully asking them for citation when they pick up CHS stories. |
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AMS
5 months ago
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not right
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| This is just not right! What can be done? | |
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Nan Carder
5 months ago
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RE: not right
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| Thanks mom! They're trying to sell ads against my work. I should send you over to have a talk with them! | |
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Comment by
jseattle
5 months ago
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yu r a shill
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Rather than rail at KOMO for viewing you as a valid news source, try respectfully asking them for citation when they pick up CHS stories. I wasn't going to jump into this but read the comment from AMS. What a load of crap. Are you paid to post this kind of thing or just hoping to be? This situation is not about "picking up" a story. |
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Comment by
shillbuster
5 months ago
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RE: yu r a shill
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Nope, I'm not "paid to post this kind of thing," nor do I work for KOMO. That said, blogging/social media is indeed what I do for a living, so I thought I'd offer my opinion, since I deal with stuff like blogger attribution issues all day long. To clarify: I'm not defending what KOMO did, just suggesting a proactive way to deal with it. |
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AMS
5 months ago
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I am incensed
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| I would like to take this opportunity to rant about KOMO censoring comments. | |
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Z-O
5 months ago
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RE: I am incensed
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| Did you really complain about CHS censoring comments? I wish I'd seen but KOMO nuked your stuff too quickly. It's pretty rare for me to pull a comment outright. There are enough 'features' at play to police things that I don't have to and, really, don't want to. Would rather let the system work things out. The system includes all the ppl, too. Better to have the discussion usually. Exceptions include disgusting hate speech. One thing that does happen on occasion is somebody's perfectly, um, innocent comment getting trapped in the occasionally overaggressive SPAM filter. It's an ongoing challenge for us but for every one good apple that gets stuck (and we can unstuck, btw!), 10 rotten spam apples get tossed. | |
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5 months ago
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"Did you really complain about CHS censoring comments? I wish I'd seen but KOMO nuked your stuff too quickly." I did, indeed. In reply to that comment someone replied with the implication they were from CHS and said that my comment had been held for moderation. It sounds like that wasn't you. |
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Z-O
5 months ago
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RE: .
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| it was me... and to clarify, your comment wasn't specifically held for moderation, ALL comments from unregistered users have to be approved by a moderator before they go on the site, that's why there was a delay in your comment showing up on CHS. | |
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Comment by
cheesecake
5 months ago
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RE: .
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| Actually, we don't queue any comments for moderation except those the system guesses are SPAM. | |
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Comment by
jseattle
5 months ago
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RE: .
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| Who are you? | |
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Comment by
ZO
5 months ago
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KOMO is acting the same way in Kirkland
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Sad story indeed and you are not alone. My first run-in with KOMO copying was when I visited their Kirkland blog and found a photo I had taken for a story I had written for my blog, www.KirklandViews.com. KOMO simply lifted the photo, wrote a few summarizing sentences, and then posted it without crediting anyone. I contacted KOMO, as I was quite interested in finding out what their photo credit policy was. I was told it was a mistake and they added a credit for the photo. Since I have not seen many credits for content on KOMO's Kirkland blog, I can only assume they are copying and pasting from other sources. Kevin Cotlove assured me in this email dated August 26 that "we always intend to credit photos": Rob, Please accept my apologies. We always intend to credit photos (example: http://kirkland.komonews.com/content/found-flickr-kirkland-c) and never want to take anything without permission. A producer made a mistake in this case. You should have been contacted in advance. I have updated the story with a credit and link to your site. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Kevin |
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Rob Butcher
4 months ago
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