posted 10/05/09 02:47 PM | updated 10/05/09 02:47 PM

City Council approves First Hill-Capitol Hill streetcar plan

Council transportation committee chair Jan Drago

The Seattle City Council this afternoon unanimously approved a bill authorizing an agreement between the city and Sound Transit to construct and operate a street car running from Union Station, through First Hill to the Capitol Hill light rail station site on Broadway. CHS reported on the bill's passage from the council's transportation committee here.

Transportation chair Jan Drago said the line will be completed quickly -- likely before the Broadway station opens in 2016. "We will be fast-forwarding the money," Drago said.

Councilmember Tom Rasmussen voiced his opposition to the cost of streetcars but voted for the bill. Before voting, Rasmussen called the project "another camel under the tent" toward completing a streetcar system in the city.

In addition to structuring the working agreement with Sound Transit, the bill calls for the City Council to define the line's route and own the ongoing funding process to manage any costs overruns or renegotiation with Sound Transit.

By the agreement, Sound Transit will provide $120 million to fund construction of the line which the city will manage. Any construction overruns will be the responsibility of the city. Sound Transit will also provide $5.2 million annually for the city to operate the line starting in 2016. If the line starts running in 2013 as planned, the agreement calls for ST to annualize the funds it has set aside for operation over the longer period and pay out a smaller amount each year.

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Naming the new streetcar
If the first streetcar was called the "SLUT", maybe this one could be called "The Bums' Rush"?
Comment by Arthur Fisher
11 months ago
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... yeah ... and funded
This is a big step forward on the mass transit front.

Good work Council of Wisdom and Light - and paid for to boot from other than city funds, ie. but many of the same taxpayers .... death and taxes, two sure events as the old saying goes.
Comment by Mike with curls
11 months ago
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an even better name...
How about "The Crackrock Express"??
Comment by trueamerican2012
11 months ago
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Cable Cars
So, what's next? Rebuilding the Yesler Way, James St., Madison St., and other Cable Cars. That could really restrict automobiles on those streets and force residents to use Public Transportation. Also, think of what a tourist attraction they would become.
Comment by Ed Short
11 months ago
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don't fragment the transit system!
If you like this idea, try living in Baltimore for a year. You will soon, IMHO, realize what a bad idea it is to have so many modes of public transit, especially when they don't integrate well. I hated public transit in Baltimore. Only thing good about it is the ease of getting to New York. And D.C.

Why can't we just have the First Hill light rail station instead??
Comment by Former Baltimorean
11 months ago
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RE: don't fragment the transit system!
There is potential for a more comprehensive and integrated system. The Central Streetcar would connect with the First Hill SC in the ID as well as connect the SLUT to downtown.

I agree that First Hill should have had a light rail station, but it was deemed to risky from a construction standpoint because of First Hill's geology, elevation and position relative to the existing bus tunnel. So the funding was approved without it. The design was completed without it. And it's not going to happen, no matter how much it should. So, we have funding for a streetcar...
Comment by dang
11 months ago
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RE: don't fragment the transit system!
Comment by dang
11 months ago
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Transportation infrastructure
Broadway Avenue sure is getting crowded.
Comment by Kayzel
11 months ago
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RE: Transportation infrastructure
That's why I support the loop route, which forms a nice little couplet between Broadway and 12th.
Comment by dang
11 months ago
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steetcar extension
Capitol Hill streetcar line is a great idea. The neighborhood should be connected by streetcar. But extending the current South Lake Union line to King Street station should be a priority to increase ridership
Comment by Richard
11 months ago
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Better than the SLUT
Unlike the SLUT, This streetcar will actually be useful and connect the First Hill neighborhood and the hospitals to the Capitol Hill station and downtown Seattle. Hopefully the plan goes well and will be better than the SLUT.

The First Hill Streetcar is something that was agreed upon when First Hill gave up their light rail station due to poor soils that would make tunneling expensive.
Comment by Eric
11 months ago
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Streetcars in the city
That's just great. Another stupid train through town.
What a bunch of RETARDS who run this stupid city.
Comment by Maxima
11 months ago
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RE: Streetcars in the city
Sorry, maxima but your rush to judge is clouding the truth... Voters overwhelmingly approved this streetcar last fall as part of ST2
Comment by archie
11 months ago
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streetcars
"Before voting, Rasmussen called the project "another camel under the tent" toward completing a streetcar system in the city."

Yeah Tom, so why did you vote for this waste of public resources?
Are all of you so anti car? Why don't you just tear up the streets and go full tilt and make them walking paths?
Who needs to use cars when only 98% of people drive them?
Do you think people are just magically going to stop driving?
Dream on.......
Comment by Maxima
11 months ago
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How does this help
What's the difference between a streetcar and a bus? They both have to run on crowded streets. And don't say right of way because buses could get the right of way, other cities are using transponders to give buses green lights the whole way.

Someone enlighten me about how this is going to help anyone.
Comment by Realist
11 months ago
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RE: How does this help
Streetcar riderships consistently outperform that of buses. For evidence, compare the ridership of the old waterfront streetcar with the current ridership of the bus that replaced it. Streetcars also provide a much higher level of permanence than do buses, which goes a long way for business and residential investment in the area. Also, streetcars are actually cheaper to run and maintain when you look at their full lifecycle compared to buses.
Comment by Enlightening
11 months ago
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RE: How does this help
FYI, realist, you're confusing right-of-way with signal priority.
Comment by Jason
11 months ago
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RE: How does this help
Streetcars are much higher capacity (as in as a unit they hold more passengers than a bus), have lower operating costs (attributable to fewer drivers and electricity), are designed to move people on and off (think wide aisles, seat location/orientation), provide superior ride comfort as compared to buses (rails vs not-so-smooth roads or engineered routes vs. abrupt lane changes), and perhaps most importantly demonstrate long-term investment and confidence in a neighborhood on the part of the city, thereby acting as an impetus for future development.
Comment by dang
11 months ago
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cap hill streetcar line
WHY? Seattle already has the failed Airport,Lake Union and Waterfront street car lines. And why run it from LR station to LR rail station? Why not repair the streets and increase the # of busses instead of blocking the road with street cars. Must be people making money on this but not Seattleites.
Comment by allan smith
11 months ago
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RE: cap hill streetcar line
Failed waterfront streetcar? You mean the one that was hugely successful before being closed down to make way for the sculpture park? And um, what airport streetcar are you talking about exactly? Your credibility is falling like a rock...lol
Oh and the south lake union SLUT is actually exceeding ridership projections. I hardly consider that as "failed"...
Comment by Huh?
11 months ago
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Waste of Money
I generally support light rail and mass transit expansion. However, this is a horrible waste of money. This streetcar line will connect two light rail stations. If near a light rail station, why not take the light rail? If in between stations, somewhere in First Hill, it would be a short walk to either destination. This line will never support itself and will always be a burden on the tax payer.
Comment by Light Rail Supporter
11 months ago
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RE: Waste of Money
If near a light rail station, why not take the light rail?


First, you presume that the function of the streetcar is to support those coming from outside the neighborhood. Light rail and streetcars serve much different functions. Light rail is intended to provide high-speed connections between distant stations (thus the dedicated ROW and preference for grade separation). Light rail's focus is point to point. On the other hand, streetcars provide high capacity local service. Its not intended to be a commuter train, its intended to increase the mobility and range of pedestrians and residents, and provide increased connectivity along the length of the line.

If in between stations, somewhere in First Hill, it would be a short walk to either destination.

So, my guess is you are able bodied? I am sure there are a number of people who would not adopt as cavalier an attitude regarding the ease with which they could walk from First Hill to either of the connected light rail stations. And again, you presume the sole intent of the streetcar is to get people to light rail and only light rail. What about the businesses in the ID, First Hill, Capitol Hill or Central Area that could be connected via this line? With a streetcar, its not just about the end points, but all the points in between.
Comment by dang
11 months ago
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Streetcar Lines with flair...
I believe streetcars should be appreciated, not denigrated. The "South Lake Union Streetcar Line" needs a simple extension to 1st or 2nd Ave to build adequate and 'admirable' ridership; about 1 mile of track to reach commercial venues and transit corridors. Its terminus on Westlake is just plain dumb.

As for the Capitol Hill-First Hill-International District line, I have concerns and reservations. If there are whores to be denigrated, its the planners who forward project proposals without fully informing the public and/or conducting public presentations that are more a formality than an honest and complete presentation of project specifics. Instead of serving the public, they're serving 'insiders' who would rather that information be kept behind closed doors.

I'd rather see this streetcar line tie into a replaced Waterfront Line. Running along 1st Ave may be problematic, impractical, duplicative.
Comment by Wells
11 months ago
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Meanwhile, another trolley we already own rusts away when it could be earning money...
Funding a new line while the Benson Trolley Rusts away... The one we already paid for...
and could be making money with. Remember MAKING money?
The idea is simple. Extend the existing line NORTH beyond Pier 70, and run the line through Myrtle Edwards Park to Pier 91. I strongly believe the line would be profitable very quickly, and provide a number of benefits that fall within the goals of the city, the county and the state.

· It would be low cost to build, and quick to install
· A Green transportation solution
· It would be yet another Historic Landmark Attraction

Running the line north through Myrtle Edwards, you would be on city land most of the route. Some of the new line would be on Port of Seattle land. A Temporary Trolley barn could be constructed under the Magnolia viaduct on City or Port property, or north of it at the base of the bluff..
The Benson Trolley averaged 200,000 paying passengers yearly and never had anything other than a “temporary” barn it’s entire life.

Pier 91 now has a 10 year commitment from Carnival Corp, and beginning in 2010 will be home port all summer long to three cruise lines, Holland America, Princess and Carnival Corp. During the five month long cruise season, more than a half million folks will transit to Pier 91 getting to or from the ships, or working.

Imagine a green, historic, fun way to offer transportation to the approximately 6,000 to 8,000 DAILY ship passengers who transit every Friday, Saturday and Sunday all summer long. The trolley show more
Comment by Seattle Greg
11 months ago
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RE: Meanwhile, another trolley we already own rusts away when it could be earning money...
I agree that the Waterfront Streetcar line should be reinstalled. SDOT led people to believe their preferred route (smack dab through the middle of the wide plaza) was NOT idiotic for 5 years. Finally called out on the lunacy of rail through the middle of a pedestrian plaza, SDOT cancels the streetcar line, rejecting several sensible route options proposed by others. SDOT hires bratty 13 year olds.

The proposed streetcar maintenance facility adjacent to Occidental Park is not a good location at all. Why devote street level storefront to a maintenance barn? Ooops! The better site was indeed out toward Interbay. And the line could extend as far as the shipping canal. It's another reason why the monorail route through Interbay was ridiculous. The streetcar line would've served Interbay as well at a fraction of the cost.

Still, the Waterfront Streetcar line must wait for removing the AWV and rebuilding Alaskan Way. SDOT's design for Alaskan Way is as poorly engineered as the Deep-bore. Grace Crunican plans to turn Alaskan Way between Lower Belltown and Jackson Street into around-the-clock gridlock, and Mercer into a freight corridor through Lower Queen Anne. The Deep-bore is another fiasco. She's been around 8 years now through one fiasco after another. This is just the latest. Don't be fooled.
Comment by Wells
11 months ago
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Sound Transit should pay for all of it no matter when it opens
The stations at First Hill and Capitol Hill were supposed to open in 2006 according to the 1996 vote. First Hill was promised to voters, and then cut (replaced by this streetcar) and Capitol Hill is opening 10 years late. So if the streetcar opens in 2013, it will be more like 7 years late than 3 years "early". If that's the way we've decided to replace the function of the First Hill station that would have cost dramatically more money, then Sound Transit should really be paying for the whole thing.
Comment by Jonathan Dubman
11 months ago
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RE: Sound Transit should pay for all of it no matter when it opens
Apparently the acceleration of the operational funding is proposed to come out of existing planned ST funds, while the city is on the hook for cost overruns.

I'm not clear on the status of the "extension" to Roy/Aloha at the north end of Broadway. A light rail station was proposed at that location too, and it, too, was cut.
Comment by Jonathan Dubman
11 months ago
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