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Volunteer Park Cafe not going anywhere anytime soon
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June 29, 2010
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RE: Informative Post
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You might want to read the other thread associated with this issue!
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RE: "You might want to read the other thread associated with this issue!"
Yes, I had, which is why I queried if any neighbor complaining about current business purchased before this parcel was designated for a business use (which it apparently was in or around 1905). |
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June 29, 2010
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RE: Informative Post: (are there any nearby property owners negatively affected by the business)
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Your question is a reasonable one, but you may have come to a wrong conclusion based on parts of the story you might not understand.
Before opening, VPC remodeled, putting in a full kitchen and taking out the cold case that allowedthe previous cafes to legally operate as a grocery store. None of the groceries or cafes that occupied 1501 previous to VPC had a kitchen. At the time of their remodel, VPC applied neither for kitchen permitting or zoning change Thus, from the beginning, VPC has operated illegally as a restaurant in a space zoned for a grocery store, without operating a grocery store. To answer your first question, YES. Everyone concerned with the VPC's back patio expansion bought well before VPC opened three years ago. We bought next to a small cafe who had no legal right to expand into a restaurant. VPC didn't have their right either. They just did it. More to the point: VPC then proceeded to make a great deal of distinction between the burdens caused by previous owners and the burdens caused by VPC. Which is why they find themselves in a very bad situation. |
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September 23, 2010
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Love thy neighbor
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Be nice or leave :D
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June 29, 2010
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... good ....reason prevails
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I am glad - I see no reason this rule should be a club to close this business.
In fact, it is the opposite of community building. |
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June 29, 2010
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Nice neighbor
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It's a shame the neighbor decided to go down this path. I mean, how is this course of action the least bit constructive?
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June 29, 2010
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RE: Nice neighbor
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VPC moved forward with plans to put in backyard seating for a 30+ person meal service til 11pm at night without taking the neighbors into consideration, nor asking for their input. They also planned to put in a huge BBQ literally a couple of feet from the neighbors wooden fence. The whole time they told the neighbors that it was just going to be garden seating that people could take their coffee out to, which the neighbors did not object to. It was only after The neighbors learned of VPC's true intentions that they filed a complaint. Lack of respect for your neighbors is just unprofessional and bad business. VPC is twisting the truth to make themselves look like the victims when their plans are simply too ambitious for the space. In the long-run their business would benefit from a larger space that could support their growth. Capitol Hill's 19th Street would be a great location for the business--it's zoned to meet their needs and VPC can still serve their same client base.
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July 10, 2010
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the VPC makes the neighborhood
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I love N. cap hill so much more now that the VPC is a part of it. A place to eat within a block away, a place to meet neighbors, organic food and community. It's lovely and adds value to the neighborhood. I hope this zoning issue can be worked out. it would be a shame to lose the jewel of the neighborhood.
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RE: the VPC makes the neighborhood
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It would be a shame, but it is important to recognize the neighbors are not asking VPC to close or move.
The neighbors are asking VPC to curtail their business to inside on the first floor, which was the way VPC operated when they first opened. Despite the two years of back and forth rats and garbage that usually goes on between neighbors and restaurants, none of the neighbors filed any complaints with the city until VPC broke ground on their back patio extension. At that point, neighbors told VPC that if they continued their work on the expansion, we would file a zoning complaint. VPC has always had the power to nip this argument in the bud. We have always wondered why they put their energy in to talking to the press and their customers aboutthe nasty neighbor trying to shut them down, instead of responding to our numerous requests to talk about mitigating the situation. |
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A neighbor speaking from experience
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I live just a few houses away from the VPC. Like the neighbors who have filed the complaint, I bought my house knowing that there was a commercial establishment in the immediate neighborhood. As many have noted, it’s been a commercial establishment for roughly 100 years.
I agree with other commenters that there’s little difference in impact between a grocery store and a café, though personally speaking I much prefer the café. In my opinion, it’s a wonderful amenity for the neighborhood in a way that a little convenience store would not be. Sure, there’s going to be a range of opinions as to whether or not you’re a fan of VPC in particular, though my sense in the neighborhood is that fans far outweigh detractors. Seems to me, though, that if the neighbors have concerns about specific issues (such as the way the alley dumpsters are handled) then the proper course of action is to address those issues in particular rather than attacking the right of the VPC to exist at all. Anonymous posters claiming that VPC is a “bad neighbor” are clearly a lot more interested in getting other folks riled up with their childish antics than they are in the vibrancy of a wonderful neighborhood. |
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RE: A neighbor speaking from experience
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"I agree with other commenters that there’s little difference in impact between a grocery store."
I live closer to the cafe than you do, Paul, so maybe my house absorbs enough of the brunt that you can feel free to enjoy nothing but the good parts of living next to the cafe. "Seems to me, though, that if the neighbors have concerns about specific issues (such as the way the alley dumpsters are handled) then the proper course of action is to address those issues in particular .. " We have. Many, many, many times. It was only after the complaint went to the city that the cafe owners bothered to reply with "We'll talk it over and get back to you." Which they did not. I'm just wondering what you would do, Paul, with a neighbor who simply refused to change their illegal and disrespectful behaviors no matter how many times you went directly to them. How long would you put up with it until you turned to someone who had the power to make them comply? I know it is hard to believe, given how bright and cheery the cafe is to their customers. So you can believe them or you can believe me when I say: they are as bright and cheery to you as you are unilaterally supportive of them " ... rather than attacking the right of the VPC to exist at all." Show me once where any neighbor's insisted that VPC close. We filed a complaint about a zoning violation. The most the city can do in this instance is order VPC to comply with zoning. All VPC has to do come into compliance for a grocery store or apply to change to restaurant zoning. Which they are in the process of doing. Who was it then, that got the... read more ighborhood all riled up with childhood antics: "An unhappy is making our lives difficult." "He doesn't like our beautiful patio and garden!" "We need your love letters!" It was the cafe, Paul. The cafe started this, first in how they went about their expansion and then in their public slamming of Paul when he filed the complaint. If you can't see their part in this, Paul, you don't want to see it. Anonymous posters claiming that VPC is a “bad neighbor” are clearly a lot more interested in getting other folks riled up with their childish antics than they are in the vibrancy of a wonderful neighborhood. |
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September 23, 2010
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Volunteer Park Restaraunt
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I can appreciate that a neighbor might not want the restaraunt near his house. I don't know how long he has been in residence, but there was a grocery business there before and a restaraunt for years after. I really appreciate the local restaraunts as a breathe of fresh air for the neighborhood to the standard box restaraunts that fog the landscape today. I would hope that the neighbor would find a way to resolve the issues. I would hate to lose the local availability of this great asset.
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July 04, 2010
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RE: Volunteer Park Restaraunt
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This is a looong post, and I apologize ... but hope people will read it.
As a nearby neighbor of VPC, I welcome a good public process to resolve this by no later than the fall. I hope it doesn't become expensive or involve lots of legal fees, because I think the VPC should exist, with limits. Some points: 1. I'm surprised that people might see the comparison as being of an average neighborhood grocery vs. an average neighborhood cafe. I'd guess that most neighborhood groceries of the size/location of the VPC space have perhaps a dozen customers at any one time. VPC, due to great food, reasonable prices and lack of nearby competition, is far busier, especially at lunchtime (when people fill almost all of the current 40ish indoor and outdoor seats). The line for service sometimes goes out the door. Dinners don't overwhelm the space in that way, but the cafe's reputation is growing, and the p.r. surrounding this fracas is likely to draw even more people. 2. I suppose it's natural (and customer-service-oriented) that the cafe owners wanted to add seating in the backyard. Maybe I missed an announcement, but I don't think they have ever stated the number of seats. I'd guess at least 2 dozen more seats should fit. **Is it fair** to nearby neighbors (and consistent with city policy) to have this former grocery become a 70-seat restaurant in an area zoned residential? No! 3. Ericka and Heather didn't make much effort to reach out to nearby neighbors. I'm confused and sad about this, as someone who is a good customer and who has tried to be neighborly to them. Unless I've missed something,... read more ey remain vague about their plans. They said last week that the vagueness is because they haven't figured things out yet. But, back in the spring they put out p.r. about using that backyard for not just seating, but also a large barbecue (think about grilling for dozens of customers). That's something else not appropriate for this location. 4. My position: Let's support the cafe AND the nearby neighbors by urging that the owners propose a specific plan, that the cafe use be permitted, and that reasonable limits be set on critical issues such as seating and hours of operation. There should also be agreement in areas such as how the cafe will better handle its often overflowing trash/recycling, and delivery trucks that park illegally and partly block the westbound lane of Galer. 5. Let's stick to the issues. It's unfair for anyone to vilify the neighbor who tolerated the increased noise, trash, parking squeeze, etc. that has resulted over their years as the store changed from grocery to destination restaurant. |
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July 07, 2010
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VPC Cafe
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I've been by there when I venture back into my old neighborhood. What I've noticed that they haven't done very well is keep the sidewalk clear in front of their establishment with their outdoor dining.
I lived in the neighborhood when that was "Groucho's"--the neighborhood store to get milk, candy, cigarettes, etc. So, I hope the restaurant gets the very clear message they need to stick to not only the spirit of zoning law but the letter as well. Or as another poster says: move to 19th Avenue East into a building zoned for restaurants. I bet there are some vacancies between about the 300 block of 19th Avenue East to about the 1200 block. |
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Just curious, are there any nearby property owners negatively affected by the business who purchased their property before this location was a business?
With the possible exception of later evening hours, I cannot see a meaningful distinction between the burdens caused by a restaurant, and those posed by a grocery store. Both are commercial uses that attract traffic and customers, both generate garbage, and both have the potential to be noisy.