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Could Seattle really start building a network of neighborhood streetcars in two years? Two City Council candidates think so

5855306176_6c574d58a3_bIt sounds so easy — just “lay down tracks.”

In a rare campaign trail partnership, City Council citywide Position 9 candidate John Roderick recently teamed up with citywide Position 8 candidate Alon Bassok to put forward a radical plan to build neighborhood streetcars across the city.

The candidates envision a series of overlapping streetcar lines built to move people within neighborhoods, the “connective tissue” between Sound Transit’s regional light rail stops. And they want to do it soon, starting within the next couple years.

“Sound Transit is an organization designed to move people out of Seattle at 5 PM and move people in at 8 AM,” Roderick said. “It doesn’t connect neighborhoods to one another.”

With no proposed routes or analysis on ridership trends to back up the plan, the three-page document leaves plenty of room for questions. What the plan does propose is building 100 miles of dedicated lane track in 10 years at roughly $10 million a mile. Funding would come through a property levy tax that Roderick and Bassok estimate would cost homeowners around $200 a year on average.

Many have already pointed out that the $10 million a mile price tag seems like an awfully lowball estimate. The First Hill Streetcar, for example, was budgeted to cost $67 million a mile. Roderick and Bassok say costs in the neighborhood rail system could be significantly cut by foregoing extra street/sidewalk work, fancy stations, and land grading. Still, an itemized budget (PDF) for the First Hill line shows the streetcars and track work alone were budgeted to cost roughly $20 million a mile.

Nevertheless, Roderick is adamant that the city needs to start taking a radically different approach to moving people around that doesn’t rely on single occupancy vehicles or a Sound Transit light rail plan that dates back to the early 1990s.

“Seattle was built on a network of trolleys, they weren’t added on after the fact. We have kind of a phantom limb syndrome.”

West Seattle, the Central District, Fremont, and Ballard are a few of the neighborhoods the candidates think would be obvious choices for neighborhood trolleys. Even with the First Hill Streetcar coming online this year, Roderick says there’s still room for more rail on Capitol Hill. He also pointed out that the 2.5 mile line was designed as a compromise to not building a light rail stop on First Hill, not connecting the neighborhood.

Simply expanding current Metro services won’t cut it, Roderick says, unless those busses are in separate lanes to quickly move through traffic. “Then you’re half way there to building (streetcars),” he said. Roderick argues that dedicated lane streetcars are also less expensive to maintain, don’t get stuck in traffic, and create a sense of permanence that leads to better in-fill development.

With the overlapping neighborhood streetcars in place, Roderick and Bassok say light rail and rapid ride bus routes could be focused on getting people across the city.

Neighborhood trolleys are not a new concept in Seattle, of course. Roderick is fond of saying that the current light rail plan is a 20th Century solution to a 21st Century problem. By the same token, neighborhood trolleys are 19th Century solution to moving around the city, but Roderick says it makes sense as more and more people want to ditch their cars.

Before the auto industry and tough economic times conspired to rip out Seattle’s once robust streetcar network, Roderick said his father used to ride a 15th Ave E trolley to get to the old Broadway High School (now Seattle Central College). The voices of those who supported and relied on the city’s first trolley system have all but faded from today’s transit debates, but signs of the past system remain.

“Seattle was built on a network of trolleys, they weren’t added on after the fact,” Roderick said. “We have kind of a phantom limb syndrome.”

Portland’s MAX and San Francisco’s Muni streetcars are two West Coast examples of how a more robust trolley network could operate. Berlin and Prauge (where the First Hill streetcars were manufactured) have even more impressive trolley networks.

Of course, there are a few political realities the two candidates will have to overcome before rolling out their plan, like making it through the August primary and winning the November election.

It’s likely that Roderick and Bassok are both underdogs in their perspective races (major public polling has yet to commence). Roderick is second in fundraising for Position 8, but is currently being dwarfed by City Council member Tim Burgess. And while Roderick made a strong showing in the 43rd District Democrats endorsement vote, opponent John Grant has lots of progressive support for his affordable housing proposals.

In the Position 9 race, Bassok looks like even more of a long shot with less name recognition that his alt-rock counterpart and even less money. Central District community activist Bill Bradburd and the mayor’s legal counsel Elena Gonzalez both have a level of campaign organizing that Bassok hasn’t matched.

Property levy fatigue is another consideration. The extension of the First Hill streetcar and bikeway to Roy may require a local tax to help fund the $25 million project. And in March Mayor Ed Murray laid out his $900 million Move Seattle levy to fund a roster of transportation projects being planned to make Seattle’s streets safer and more efficient by 2024. Bassok and Roderick say their plan is completely compatible with Move Seattle. Whether voters think so remains to be seen.

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Dylan
Dylan
8 years ago

http://www.citylab.com/commute/2015/02/the-myth-that-everyone-naturally-prefers-trains-to-buses/385759/

Why on earth would you continue to build streetcars (or trains) instead of buses?

matt
matt
8 years ago
Reply to  Dylan

Because we are not ready to have dedicated lanes?

buses
buses
8 years ago
Reply to  Dylan

Because the article you reference clearly shows that nearly everyone prefers trains and no one wants to ride the bus.

Jim98122x
Jim98122x
8 years ago

Here we go again… Back to the trough, twice a year, a couple of hundred $$ in property taxes every time. Where do they think this money keeps coming from? Most of us haven’t seen real wage growth in years (even with decent-paying jobs). And that doesn’t even address people who are already struggling with low pay. We need to find some other way to finance things besides twice-yearly property tax levies. This is ridiculous.

Income Tax
Income Tax
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim98122x

You rang?

Seattle voters
Seattle voters
8 years ago
Reply to  Income Tax

Go away. We don’t want you. We want the poor and middle class to pay for everything.

Low Wage Worker
Low Wage Worker
8 years ago
Reply to  Income Tax

YES PLEASE YES. Any city council person running for the at-large position who proposes an income tax will get my vote, a fraction of my money, and volunteer hours for their campaign. I’ll be even more enthusiastic if it taxes the rich at a higher percentage than those of us living under $50K/year. I’m hoping the next person to run for mayor is also in favor of this. We NEED an income tax!

RWK
RWK
8 years ago

Our City Council will have very little influence as far as instituting a state income tax. That legislation will have to be done in Olympia, which over the decades has shown little interest in passing such a tax, unfortunately.

Levy Fatigue
Levy Fatigue
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim98122x

If you are tired of voting for EVERYTHING through a levy, then you need to lobby the state legislature for tax reform. Local government cannot reform our current highly regressive and inadequate tax system. Therefore, our city and county rely entirely on the property tax, sales tax, and excise taxes. That’s not by choice. There’s no other funding source. Usually the property tax is preferred because it’s slightly less regressive than raising the sales tax.

Unless there’s tax reform, that’s our current reality. We could not pass whatever levy is on the ballot and then there’s no new transit, no funding for city departments and programs, no mental health and homeless services, etc.

dale olmstead
dale olmstead
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim98122x

Old idea,which has come and gone.Light rail old idea,we had it once before.You want the propertytaxpayer to fork out $200 a year extra,want happen.How about this,property owners AND renters pay for it.

Renter do pay for it
Renter do pay for it
8 years ago
Reply to  dale olmstead

It’s as if you don’t know how landlords work.

JayH
JayH
8 years ago

I am always willing to listen to new ideas, but they need to be sensible and defensible. There are a few issues even with this broad outline. First, as has been noted, the cost is unrealistic. Second, Seattle streetcars didn’t, don’t, and won’t work in all of Seattle. Streetcars don’t do hills. We need cable cars to handle any significant grade. This limits the runs and makes transfers frequent. Passengers have already proven that they aren’t crazy about transfers. Third, and this is still yet to be determined, the (soon to be two) lines that we have are not all that popular. So let’s at least wait until the latest line has some ridership numbers behind it before we even consider adding even more capacity.

Buses and car sharing, that’s the ticket. Both are easily eliminated or modifiable as needs arise and no new infrastructure is required.

Grandpaw knows best....
Grandpaw knows best....
8 years ago
Reply to  JayH

“Streetcars don’t do hills. We need cable cars to handle any significant grade. This limits the runs and makes transfers frequent. ”

Yes! Because after all, we haven’t had any technological advances since the 1880’s that would allow us to combine technologies. That’s almost as crazy of an idea as hybrid automobile!

Olygirl
Olygirl
8 years ago

Dedicated bus lanes would be much cheaper and provide the massive improvement of speed that the lift rail would. They would also be much easier and cheaper to move in the future, as neighborhoods change and grow.

p-patch
p-patch
8 years ago
Reply to  Olygirl

I agree that buses are a better solution. Dedicating lanes, traffic lights and even entire streets to existing transit options is the right place to start. Like 3rd Ave downtown, certain routes might be bus-only during peak times, but the nice thing about buses is that if the planning doesn’t exactly work out, they can more easily be re-routed. Also keep in mind that our electric bus fleet are referred to as trolleys. :)

dale olmstead
dale olmstead
8 years ago
Reply to  p-patch

I think he was referring to trolleys on rails

Mary Bennett
Mary Bennett
8 years ago

Considering the growth that will occur in the next decades, fixed rail is a 19th century technology, do we really want to go back and base our transportation system on nostalgia?
I recommend Crosscut’s recent articles on transportation: Viability and sustainability by Maggie Fimia, John Niles and Victor Bishop(6-1-15), and Future of transportation in the Sound by Cody Olsen, (6-4-15).
These articles take on the candidates pro-trolley/rail stances….pointing out how limited those actually are. The transit ridership in the Sound is much larger than in Portland, and primarily on buses, rapid ride and other options we just haven’t figured out yet….the future is not fixed rail.

Timmy73
Timmy73
8 years ago

Lay rails on crumbling infrastructure. Brilliant idea! We should make our streets, sidewalks and bridges safe first.

As other said, dedicated bus lanes = cheaper and flexible. This won’t be a popular idea but do away with street parking on arterials and make them bus only lanes. With fast, efficient and abundant bus service, most won’t need to drive and find street parking where they did before.

Spotty Alter
Spotty Alter
8 years ago
Reply to  Timmy73

You’re in luck! Obama already fixed our crumbling roads, schools, and bridges. In his first term in office he spent $800 billion on this. So, that’s all set.

Frankly, I think this a great idea and will transform our city into a world-class destination. Infrastructure spending rarely goes above budget. Plus, these condo owners can fork over an extra $200 per year. C’mon… What’s an extra two bills a year when you’re the owner of a $650,000 condo? They need to start paying their fare share.

Light rail > internal combustion

Truth
Truth
8 years ago

I stopped taking the street car outside my job when I realized buses were more quick. I couldnt imagine riding a street car from Northgate to downtown. That would take forever. No thank you!

Brian
Brian
8 years ago
Reply to  Truth

You wouldn’t have to take a street car. There is a light rail station being built in Northgate right now and slated to open in 2017 I believe.

RWK
RWK
8 years ago
Reply to  Brian

I think it’s more like 2021.

innocent bystander
innocent bystander
8 years ago

Grandstanding for the McGinn machine. Such a plan would cost at least $4bn and take 20 years. $10m per track mile? it’s clear neither of them do finances or economy.

poncho
poncho
8 years ago

Yes please, as long as they have dedicated lanes and this effort doesn’t get in the way of Seattle getting true rapid transit within Seattle as part of ST3 to places like Ballard, Fremont and Queen Anne.

le.gai.savant
le.gai.savant
8 years ago

Putting rails in the streets will certainly not reduce traffic. You could run buses over the same routes and accomplish the same transportation objectives, without the rails. For example, how about this.

What are some alternatives? What about a fleet of smaller vehicles where people could “ride share” through an easy-to-use phone app, so the transportation could come to you but at the same time we could have the efficiency of shared rides. Sounds far fetched? Well, there’s Uber Pool and Lyft Line in San Francisco doing this right now. To keep prices down, we could use the money otherwise wasted on expensive rail projects to subsidize low income riders, for example.

Driverless cars will soon be available, vastly reducing the cost of operating smaller vehicles. Building rail systems right now will lock us into old-fashioned technology that will prevent us from taking advantage of the potential for driverless, electric powered cars, guided by sophisticated routing technology, to solve transportation needs.

Seattle politicians say, nope. We need to tear up more streets and lay more rails so we can have more projects like the SLUT, which, after years of running streetcars through South Lake Union, is failing to attract the ridership levels which were used to justify spending millions of dollars, although it’s running in one of the fastest growing areas of our city. With a model like this, no telling how much money our city council can waste on these old fashioned systems.

GregoryH
8 years ago

The price tag these two candidates have put on building street car lines is laughable, and doesn’t address the dedicated right of way issue (or grade separated issue.

If we want to improve mass transit quickly and for the least amount of money, we should create dedicated bus lanes and BRT. If buses didn’t stop every 3 blocks and have to content with every other form of traffic, travel times would be shorter, reliability would increase, and thus so would ridership (Which is at record highs already in seattle, so those who say, “people don’t ride buses” are full of it.

Let’s add real BRT to Madison, Rainier, and 15th ave n/nw, before we lay any more street car tracks.