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05/13/10 05:10 PM
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05/13/10 05:10 PM
The facts about trolley buses and Metro service cuts
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FYI, this is indeed from the Phillips office
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I have talked to them about finding ways to be part of the site when they have messages for the community. I was happy to find that they took me up on the offer tonight.
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jseattle
May 13, 2010
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nice!
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this is the first time i have seen an elected utilize a neighborhood blog to communicate and i love it! way to go phillips (and your staff who probably posted this :)
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May 13, 2010
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Welcome to the conversation
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I'm ecstatic to see the government-public conversation move beyond press releases and open meetings.
Temporarily living in Munich, I find myself newly impassioned about holistic transit services. My voice will be added to the growing call for shifting investment from 20th century infrastructure optimized for moving automobiles around to transit systems better suited for moving *people* through the city. |
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May 14, 2010
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thanks
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Thanks for clearing that up. I admit, I immediately got all heated at the noise about losing our trolleys. But, it makes sense to study all the options available before making such a huge investment.
Good luck to the Task Force. I hope we can find a strategy to avoid making such large cuts to our system. |
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May 14, 2010
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Not Really, No
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"As you likely know, Metro Transit’s trolley buses are reaching the end of their useful life and will soon need to be replaced."
I disagree. According to the (highly flawed) audit that statement is true. According to reality - the conclusion has simply been pulld out of thin air. There has been no consideration (that we consumers have seen anyway) to the idea that SOME of the trollebuses (namely the Bredas - which should never have been pressed into service in this configuration to begin with) need replacing. Others - namely the newer Gilligs - are doing just fine, and could continue on for at least another decade. This idea that the ENTIRE FLEET needs to be replaced based on something as arbitrary as age only sounds more like a mid-life crisis than responsible policy. End of Days for Trolleybuses (Again?) http://pstransitoperators.wordpress.com/2010/03/27/end-of-da |
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Jeff Welch
May 14, 2010
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loving the googles
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May 14, 2010
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Metro Transit
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I want to second the idea that the electric trolleys must stay. What I find strange is the notion that there has been a loss of revenue when my observation is that rider-ship is up.
As a frequent rider of the #10, I an now beyond surprised by the number of people who don't pay. One is the simple excuse of not being able to, or they forgot their pass. The other is to enter the bus and sitting down with out paying under the pretense they are looking for their transfer. Out comes a pile of transfers, choosing one that looks like the same color as being used that day, then flashing it at the driver. If everyone had to use a Orca card, Metro would be back in the black. |
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David Nordfors
May 16, 2010
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RE: Metro Transit
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I too am upset by all of the free rides that people seem to get. The biggest problem are the ones who get on downtown in the free ride area and just walk off the bus when they get to their destination stop. What's a driver supposed to do? Nothing. They are not allowed to intervene in anything, just drive, observe and report.
I really like the electric trolleys and hope that Metro keeps them on the wires. When I lived on the hill I took the #14 to and from work and I loved how quiet and efficient it was. I'm in another neighborhood now but I try to take an electric route when I can. |
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No free rides
May 17, 2010
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RE: Metro Transit
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Yes, people cheating the system are frustrating, and there are things I would love to see Metro do (including continuing to increase ORCA usage, although it's not without flaw itself given the crazy 24-hour delay for e-purse deposits to be recorded by the system) to decrease fare evasion.
But even at $3 million/year, give or take, you're talking a tiny fraction of Metro's overall budget hole. "Back in the black" is wishful thinking, I'm afraid. |
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May 20, 2010
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No spare parts available?
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I'm curious what it means for a bus to reach the end of its useful life. I would expect that buses could be maintained by refurbishing or replacing parts as they wear out until their bodies and frames deteriorate.
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May 18, 2010
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Saving Seattle's Trolleys
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As far as saving Seattle's trolley buses are concerned, I'm all for it. A few suggestions:
-Buy 25-33% more articulated trolleys that what already exists (totalling 75-90 buses) for complete and total electrification of route 36 (no more half-diesel-half-trolley nonsense here!) -Consider putting new "emergency turnbacks" on route 44 at N 45th St & Stone Way N and at NW Market St & 17th Ave NW. -Consider putting an emergency loop on route 70 at Virginia St & Boren Ave. |
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Sean Das
May 19, 2010
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Simple:
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Electric busses are how we insulate Metro from gas prices, plain and simple. We learned this the hard way in the 1970's, and we should NOT have to repeat history. Please, noise and pollution are real issues too, but I think that hillclimbing ability and the relatively stable price of electricity should more than convince the key folks here. Don't be poundfoolish. Don't insist that we live by the ebb and flow of fossil fuel.
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May 20, 2010
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Don't forget the savings on gas.
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*Do* remember that if gas prices spike or carbon taxation goes in, trolleybuses will suddenly turn out to be much, much cheaper to operate. Don't make false "savings" which turn out to cost more later.
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May 21, 2010
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Trolly Buses
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Trolly buses are quieter, don't spew gas exhaust, and are more pleasant to ride than diesel buses. Let's not waste more money studying that simple fact.
Perhaps if more streets were dedicated to public transport, and driving and parking were made more difficult, the ridership of buses, trollies, et al, would increase. Could the buses be repaired? Is that too antiquated a concept? There used to be people called mechanics that fixed buses and trollies. Investing in people to maintain the current fleet only helps our local economy. |
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Casey MacGill
May 24, 2010
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Trolleys
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King County needs to preserve what trolleys are left. Yes, the 10 is useful but in the eyes of the deficit, it could be cut without too much problem. Trolleys are part of Seattle's more recent history; they are clean, have agile tork, and last longer while running smoother and much quieter than diesel and hybrid busses. Seattle must keep what electric lines are available and possibly restore and add sections of them (when the economy picks up). When the audit comes out, politicians and citizens should push strongly for more electric busses because it means a cleaner, quieter King County, plus the busses would last longer.
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June 14, 2010
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RE: Trolleys
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Oops, I mean buses, not busses.
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June 14, 2010
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Save the Trolleys FB group
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If you want to save electric bus service in King County, and you're on Facebook, please join our group at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133395816688760
Thanks! |
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July 14, 2010
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