Jamie Guerriero loves and hates the 8.
“I live down in Lower Queen Anne, half a block away from the last stop,” he said about the often maligned bus route that links Seattle Center with Capitol Hill. “It’s so essential to get back up to the Hill.”
He takes the 8 up Denny two to three times per week to visit Capitol Hill friends and the farmer’s market and says the bus is either 5 minutes early or 15 minutes late all the time. And to take it during rush hour is hellish.
“For a 4:30 happy hour, I have to leave by 3:30,” he said.
Guerriero is car-less and is a big fan of the transit system in general. But the 8 has underperformed for the 13 years he’s lived in Seattle.
“It’s such a major route, but I get the feeling the Metro just doesn’t care about it.”
In fact, throughout Guerriero’s 13 years in town, King County Metro and SDOT have been working to improve the 8’s reliability. But it’s still falling short. Can it ever really be fixed?
This year, the Transit Riders Union and Central Seattle Greenways have renewed their “Fix the L8” campaign to get SDOT and Metro to address the issue.
“We’re on track for the least reliable summer we’ve ever had,” said Nick Sattele, a campaign organizer.
The campaign cites Metro data showing the 8 to be one of the most used bus routes in the city. But the route consistently fails to meet Metro’s 80% on-time performance goal. During rush hour last summer, its on-time rate dipped below 40%.

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In 2023, Fix the L8 finished a campaign that nudged SDOT to fund spot improvements along the route (paving, sidewalk repair, pedestrian ramps, signage). Those improvements are underway right now alongside a separate project, the Denny Way Paving Project., which will make “bus stop changes to improve transit travel time and reliability.”
SDOT also agreed to do a traffic analysis, which they’d wrap up and share with Fix the L8 in 2024. But the analysis hasn’t been finished.
Said Sattele, “In January of this year it became obvious that the project got delayed a lot. With the culmination of the delay and riders being pissed off, it became obvious we needed to do more.”
Fix the L8 is now asking for signatures on a new action letter.
“There’s been some turnover on King County Council, at SDOT, and on Seattle City Council, so this new action letter ensures that these newer leaders know we need them to step up to Fix the L8 and reminds the rest that we expect them to act.”
According to Jason Li, another campaign organizer, they’ll urge SDOT to “install two-way bus lanes along Denny Way and prioritize implementing the Denny / Olive Way transit improvements in the voter-approved 2024 Seattle Transportation Levy.”
They’ll also ask King County Metro to increase bus frequency along the corridor. On a minor note, they asked King County Metro to fix a software glitch that, for the last few weeks, has made navigation apps show zero buses running to Seattle Center on Saturdays.
Li and Sattele feel that the commitments SDOT and Metro have made thus far aren’t big enough. They told stories of 8 buses stuck in the river of personal vehicles inching toward I-5 after work or an event at Climate Pledge. The buses sit still for so long that their drivers relent and let riders out in the middle of the street. They say a bus lane is the only real fix.
But SDOT, so far, has not said they’re considering bus lanes all the way down Denny.
An SDOT spokesperson told CHS that they’re working on a longer-term project to create a new east-west bus pathway on Harrison and Mercer. It’s expected to be completed by 2028.
“This future pathway could provide alternative routing for transit through South Lake Union,” they said.
Until then, besides the spot improvements and analyses, they’re asking folks to carpool.
Metro and SDOT have implemented numerous approaches over the years to improve service to Route 8 riders. According to SDOT:
- In 2010, Metro eliminated several stops along the route to address bus bunching.
- In 2016, Metro split Route 8 to shorten the route and improve on-time performance. Today we have Route 8 and Route 106.
- In 2017-2018, SDOT and Metro implemented a series of measures including adding a transit-only lane from Fairview Ave to Stewart St, longer green light times where Denny Way meets 5th and 6th avenues, street channelization improvements, left turn restrictions, and parking removal.
- In 2021, as part of the Climate Pledge Arena street improvement requirements, transit lanes were installed on Queen Anne Avenue North and First Avenue North.
- In 2024, SDOT activated a “Don’t Block the Box” traffic safety camera at Denny Way and Stewart St / Yale St to enforce the law and issue citations when people illegally block crosswalks and intersections. This helps prevent gridlock and improve public safety and accessibility.
- In March 2025, King County Metro increased Route 8 weekend service by adding 8 trips a day on Saturdays and 33 trips a day on Sundays. This service increase was funded by the voter-approved Seattle Transit Measure.
The ongoing effort highlights both the importance of the transportation corridor and the pain it’s inflicted for a long time. It also highlights the problem’s difficulty. For Fix the L8, it’s bus lane or bust.
“Our campaign’s primary goal is a fast, frequent, and reliable east-west bus [travel] between Capitol Hill, SLU, Belltown, and Lower Queen Anne,” Sattele said. “Denny is prioritized in SDOT’s long range plan, hits more density, and is more direct [than Harrison] so we still need it to be fast and reliable.”
Maybe it’s that simple. But if it isn’t, perhaps he, SDOT, and Metro can find compromise in a more grassroots solution. One inspired by those who work every day in Denny’s glacial trenches.
“Sometimes you get an awesome driver,” said Guerriero, the frequent 8 rider. “You can tell right out of the gate if they’re going to be aggressive or not.”
“They pull out onto Denny by the gas station. If they pull out into traffic you get excited. They’ll go into the opposite lane around traffic. At Denny and Westlake by the Whole Foods, they pick people up in the second lane. The bus driver’s like, ‘I don’t care’.”
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Bus only lanes plz
“But SDOT, so far, has not said they’re considering bus lanes all the way down Denny.”
about sums it up. bus lanes are the only actually real solution here to fix the 8
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“until then, they’re asking folks to carpool” is so grim
Yeah, that response is just depressing.
I mean taking the bus is sorta carpooling right?
Bus lanes, yes!
But also close the ramps to I-5 at Olive Denny. They make traffic on I-5 worse. They make traffic backup through most of downtown, SLU and Capitol for miles. The traffic makes getting around by any other surface mode miserable. Drivers will survive, and might actually end up happier in the end. Just do it and see what happens.
+1 to this
I’ve wanted this for years and hope to God they do it one day. That freeway entrance is a trainwreck and causes everyone in the vicinity anxiety and fury.
I was also a daily transit rider that lived in that same neck of the woods for decades. The 8 has always been bad. Metro and SDOT have never taken it or its riders seriously.
After I moved out of that area a lot of people asked me a lot of questions like: was it CHOP/CHAZ that made you leave? The tents everywhere? The tech bros price you out?
No I moved because I basically couldn’t travel east or west by bus, or go in and out of my own damn neighborhood! Like that was really it.
Not being able to do normal people scheduling stuff sucked. I had to stop visiting dentists, doctors and classes that were on the 8 route because there was no way I could get to them in time.
I got prematurely excited when Amazonia eclipsed the Cascade neighborhood and its arts community. Since the 8 ran through there, I figured they’d have to fix it! The tech companies in SLU are all like “we’re going to solve all the problems that ever happened in healthcare and put popstars on Mars”! But then we see that they can’t even solve the damn 8 :(
Amazon could help fix this by adding commuter buses for their staff to Capitol Hill. Riding the 8 wasn’t too bad during the Amazon work from home days. I also rode it pre-Amazon and it was fine. Now when the bus shows up even 5 minutes late, getting a spot on it can be impossible during peak hours. The bus wouldn’t be as bad if you weren’t stuck standing up, squished by a ton of people with their backpacks hitting you in the face.
Also, one of the issues is the people who inevitably decide to run the light and sit in the middle of the intersection by the Orion Center so the bus driver can’t get through. Sometimes they end up sitting through multiple green lights because of this crappy driving behavior.
Totally agree. I think a shuttle between SLU and the Hill during peak hours would help a lot
Wouldn’t the shuttle just get stuck in the same traffic? Adding a privately owned bus to the spin doesn’t fix anything. Bus only lanes are the only fix at this time. Either that or make Denny explicitly bus only during peak hours and cars have to find another way around. As someone else said, close down the freeway entrance there and we are already another step ahead.
There’s a reason the route sucks and there’s good money after bad.
The entire thing needs to be reimagined and engineered as such from scratch. Much like the Denny Regrade. It’ll be a major project that will inflate with inflation due to Bullshit suits and no voters support.
The issue is some people have gotten incredibly wealthy on Seattle’s backs. Forgoing infrastructure, education and other expenses for profit and cops basically. The bridges are falling down around us. Schools that were new and world class for the Boomers are now on life support in some cases. Education is several billion in arears. The oldest generation transfers 1.4 trillion from the young to the old every year. About 30% do not need Social Security. It’s an investment fund not a safety net. It’s always raise the age, but not for the 54 and older conservative voter base..AKA Boomers. Gotta keep that gravely train rolling AND cut their taxes as well.
For 50+ years the wealth transfer is the largest in history. Even worse than the Depression. And it’s a runaway freight train now. Wealth incumbency has been voted into law along the way.
Seattle itself has been monetized and exploited at every turn. Nothing is left untouched.
Something needs to change.
Something def needs to change and IMO it’s SDOT. Metro gets a lot of blame for the 8 and it’s piss poor improvements. But when I tilted at transit windmills on LQA it usually came down to whether or not SDOT gave AF. I ran into lots of SDOT dillholes fresh out of Centralia trying to plan our hood like it’s.. Centralia. One guy with very little experience seemed to control all the development and transit issues for the LQA neighborhood. Which seemed weird. Especially with an arena getting built or rebuilt. But what really bugged me was he was always telling me and my transit loving neighbors to move out of the city – literally he said that to us, more than once – if we didn’t like all the development that was happening for hockey traffic. We were totally cool with all the development sir just not the dire lack of useful public transportation that should have gone with that development, or the condescending asshattery from a city representative.
Transits problem is no city council support. The streetcar project is a third rail. Light rail, but street level so it’s forever a traffic issue. Stuff like that whittled down in quality and as affordable as possible instead of make it so cheaply that it’s a pita forever and discourages any further taxes on light rail or the street car etc.
All the Centralia crap is a good ‘ol boys club. That’s why they get so snarky und full of themselves. They all know the plan. It’s working too.
Denny looks too narrow to create bus lanes without seriously impacting both private and commercial vehicles as a major artery. The corridor is increasingly unable to handle the volume new construction caused. People moving needs to be above street level which will likely never happen.
Agree. it would be one lane going each way and cars turning would wait on pedestrians and back up traffic. I suspect would be painful.
Time to revisit an old idea?
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Rob, I too will never stop wanting this! It probably is the only real solution for the 8 on Denny, but also would be so fun!
Even if they do that Harrison routing by Seattle Center it will still have to cross that congested Denny I-5 overpass since I-5 is a barrier and they only put a few crossings north of Pine St.
I like that idea to close the Denny/Olive on/off ramps which is the source of making the automobile congestion terrible.
But then it causes issues elsewhere as well.
No, you can’t fix the 8. It will be fixed in 2040 when the light rail opens. The decade of construction at Westlake and Denny definitely won’t help, but everyone hear was outraged at moving the station a block so here we are.
Close the ramps to I-5 at Olive Denny. That solves the issue of blocked intersections all the way up Denny from Western AND access issues to/from Capital Hill. I think its pretty apparent that The City of Seattle and SDOT hate cars. we spend so much time and money trying to make it easier for the people that commute To/Thru Seattle from other places (Everett- Tacoma) that all we’ve managed to do is make it miserable for EVERYONE! Let’s just rip the Band-Aids off and get it done. not spend another 25 years doing studies and votes.
you can’t trade one problem to create another. Traffic doesn’t vanish along with the ramps. They use other ramps instead.
They’re limited by congestion on I-5. If they go to other ramps, they will still be limited by congestion on I-5. The congestion will just be spread out. The high number of ramps in close proximity aren’t helping anything. In fact, it’s worse by having more merging and lane changing situations in a short span, creating more slowdowns and more opportunities for crashes.
The reality is there are not many places to cross I-5, and most of them have freeway on ramps. We need options to get around the city that aren’t clogged by I-5 drivers. Closing the Denny/Olive ramps would free up transit, make it faster and more attractive. It’s insane that people commuting from out of the City and out of the County in the most inefficient way possible get such high priority on our City streets.
I clicked the link in this article for the Action Letter, sent my own message instead of the template, and have already heard back from Balducci’s office. I appreciate the prompt reply. But it’s mostly about supporting RapidRides in the burbs. I think it misses the points about fixing the 8 ENTIRELY – close a lane to cars yesterday without turning this into a long term boondoggle or pork barrel or whatever RapidRide seems to have become (“Metro’s long range plan” is what her office called it)
It’s not even just Denny that’s an issue, drivers on the 8 tend to intentionally leave around 5-10 minutes late for whatever reason. Even when traveling through the CD, I’ve seen 8s be around 20 minutes late just from drivers simply not leaving on time.
At least the 8 exists. When I moved to Seattle in 92, it didn’t. Now THAT was painful!
fyi, a bit of history
https://seattletransitblog.com/2014/08/18/the-creation-of-route-8/#:~:text=In%20the%20early%201990s%2C%20I,service%20hours%20for%20the%208.
Interesting, thank you!
I used to commute on the 8 between Seattle Center and Capitol Hill. One thing that slowed it way down was the sheer volume of people trying to cram onto the bus at SLU especially in the evening. It took forever to load the bus just at that one stop. So many people just want to get between Capitol Hill and South Lake Union. I have often wondered what would happen if they had a shuttle that went between Broadway and SLU leaving reliably every 15 minutes during peak hours. Not to replace the 8 but in addition to.
I used to ride the 8 at least 5 times a week. Stopped about 2 years ago and only use it about once a month at most. My reason was not time issues, I use ‘onebusaway’ app and just plan accordingly. My issue is it has become a moble homeless shelter. Many of the busses on this line smell like a public bathroom that has not been cleaned in weeks. Bus drivers do not inforce any rules: smoking, eating, paying fares, loud music and aggressive behavior towards other passengers.
Zone-based congestion pricing. $50 to drive a single-occupant vehicle anywhere in South Lake Union on weekdays. Proceeds split between immediate bus improvements and accelerated construction of new light rail.