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SDOT explains why so much of the new RapidRide G line is paint, not concrete

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After a decade of planning including three years of construction, it is only in recent weeks that many elements of the $135 million RapidRide G bus rapid transit project connecting downtown, First Hill, Capitol Hill, and Madison Valley are finally visible.

The Seattle Department of Transportation is finally laying down the paint.

To cut on costs and save money while also making massive infrastructure and water main upgrades along the route of the soon-to-be completed project, the city is using painted features rather than concrete along the coming soon bus line.

“Many features along this route, such as curb bulbs, are being executed with paint instead of solid, concrete-poured structures primarily due to cost considerations,” an SDOT spokesperson said. “Utilizing paint allows us to implement traffic calming and pedestrian safety measures more affordably, while still achieving the desired improvements.”

The department says not all of the coming RapidRide G paint is a cost saving measure. Some of the paint was in the plans from the beginning like markings to help ensure drivers don’t park near crosswalks.

But it is the latest example of the city’s current approach to street safety projects that emphasize fast to implement, lower cost elements even in major, long-term projects like the RapidRide G line.

The emphasis can have its consequences. CHS reported here on planning and layout mistakes made around the transition of Pike and Pine to one-way traffic and new bike lanes along the route that have community street safety representatives saying, “I told you so.”

CHS also reported on pedestrian safety at Harvard and E Olive Way where community members expressed their concerns over painted features near crosswalks having little impact on safety. SDOT says the use of these painted features were incorporated into the planning process as an option to help mitigate costs while working towards project completion.

SDOT says the strategy is a fiscal necessity. “As the project developed, SDOT identified areas where painted features could be effectively utilized without compromising the overall safety and functionality of the corridor,” Mariam Ali, SDOT’s deputy press secretary, told CHS. “This approach was considered as part of a broader strategy to maximize the impact of available funding,” Ali said.

SDOT says the painted features are a fraction of the cost of constructing more permanent ones, and that cost-saving allows the department to allocate funds to other aspects of the project, like upgrading infrastructure and transit amenities.

RapidRide G broke ground in 2021. While the project will bring major transit, biking, walking, and driving safety improvements, neighborhood businesses and residents have had a rough ride during the years of construction. RapidRide G work included millions of dollars of attached utility and infrastructure work by the city that has created months of major challenges for businesses and residents living along Madison.

“While approximately $135 million has been allocated to the Madison St. RapidRide G Line Project, budget constraints and the city’s deficit have necessitated cost-effective solutions, such as opting for painted features, to ensure the project’s completion within financial limits,” Ali said.

The project does have some solidity including massive amounts of concrete poured to replace streets torn up by the infrastructure work, new bus shelters, center-running stations hoped to allow for quicker loading and unloading, a new comfort station and a new bus layover area.

SDOT, meanwhile, will spend spring and summer painting new pedestrian crosswalks, stop bars and lane lines along RapidRide G from downtown towards First Hill and Capitol Hill. The department expects this work to be finished in August, and will then paint the bus lines in red and the bike lanes in green.

King County Metro, which will operate the new bus line when it begins service after summer, did not respond to our questions about the painted RapidRide features.

The Seattle City Council, meanwhile, has begun debate over the final touches on the city’s $1.45 billion transportation levy proposal.

 

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Yefim
1 year ago

Can we get some boulders in the bulb outs?

Crow
1 year ago
Reply to  Yefim

Self help is the answer.

Stephen
1 year ago

What does a painted bulb out look like? You’re just stepping down off the curb into a parking space that’s been filled in with paint?

This sounds bizarre to me. I guess I might wander over there if I have time after work today and see what it’s like in practice.

d4l3d
1 year ago

City relies on magic to create illusion of safety.

Mars Saxman
1 year ago

After watching SDOT pour enormous volumes of concrete in this project, it would never have occurred to me that anyone would ask such a question.

Jesse
1 year ago

Need bollards now!

Eltrox
1 year ago

Does anyone know how these “Center-running stations” will work? I noticed the station shelters at the center station near Summit & Madison face the opposite side from where the bus door is would be. Are the buses going to use the lane into oncoming traffic? Will there be different buses with doors on the right-hand side?

Frank Conlon
1 year ago
Reply to  Eltrox

The center lane platforms will be serviced by a special group of specially ordered buses that have doors on both sides–Where the bus is adjacent to the curb loading/unloading will be on the conventional right-hand side, and where there are center platforms the passengers will utilize doors on the left hand side of the bus. This won’t be of any help to folks on the #60, but hey,
that’s a minor detail. And the re-engineering of various intersections along
Madison have created a challenging world of turn restrictions. Drivers are
going to have to learn new mental route maps.

Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Eltrox

These will work like the streetcars, where there can be center or curbside boardings. I think this is how much of the early mass transit worked in Seattle, and much of the world, to provide flexibility in where bus stops need to be and can provide some possible space saving with bidirectional stops.

Nandor
1 year ago

Like paint/signs stop anyone… Just come down to 22nd in front of the Safeway any day that the cop isn’t right there actively giving tickets and the no parking zone is full of cars..

butch griggs
1 year ago
Reply to  Nandor

That’s been a mess for a while. I shop there and ride my scooter over the hill. It’ll get better

Nandor
1 year ago
Reply to  butch griggs

It’s been a mess there since it opened (I’m talking about along 22nd, not along Madison)… as long as people think they can get away with it, they’ll continue to park on the street. People are lazy… it’s too much of a hassle for them to park in the lot, even if there are plenty of open spaces in the upper lot.

Nearby Neighbor
1 year ago

Keep in mind CHS readers – RapidRide G is going to SLASH bus service all across the hill as Metro’s way of meeting their commitments to the G of super frequent daytime service.

Be sure to tell Metro and your city, county, and state reps to MAINTAIN present service on the 8, 10, 12, 48, and 49 route buses.

Matt
1 year ago

Thank you for mentioning the massive water main and other infrastructure upgrades. I still see this as a smart win-win for the city.

That being said, paint alone isn’t going to cut it! There needs to be at least some plastic bollards and better yet some concrete planters to provide some level of separation!

Also, I find it hard to believe that sidewalk is that much more expensive than roadway 🤔

AnotherRichard
1 year ago

This is the same sdot that says paint-only crosswalks are so dangerous they prioritize *removing* “rogue” community-painted markings over everything else they had to do that day, now telling me paint only safety improvements are just fine huh?

constituent
1 year ago

This project is clearly a way to get the federal government to pay for local utilities and street repair by disguising it as a transit project.

You betcha
1 year ago

Good thing the line doesn’t run all the way to Madison Park and the water. We don’t want any of the unwashed masses out there.

butch griggs
1 year ago
Reply to  You betcha

Oh absolutely. My Pina Colada gets a funny taste when they are near.

LeonT
1 year ago

Don’t worry, it doesn’t rain much in Seattle. Loss of traction won’t be a problem.

butch griggs
1 year ago
Reply to  LeonT

That’s my only grip.The paint is slicker than snot on a doorknob. Any white paint and you can forget it. My scooter slides around in the wet. But yeah. Any paint really.

LeonT
1 year ago
Reply to  butch griggs

That’s my only grip.

Real funny Butch.

Guesty
1 year ago

I must say, i don’t drive in the area that much and the last time i did it was pretty disorienting – lots of different colored paint, markings, lanes, signs..

butch griggs
1 year ago

“The project does have some solidity including massive amounts of concrete poured to replace streets torn up by the infrastructure work”

So how much time and money did we spend talking about possibly leaving it a dirt road to save money? How about painting the dirt? Any money or time spent discussing and stuff on the painted dirt idea?

It’s been rough. I am a disabled vet. Do everything on transit or my little Hiboy scooter. The bike lanes have been a little sketchy for sure. The Convention center area has been a mess for a while.

I can’t wait till it all opens up.

Whichever
1 year ago

Without traffic enforcement, paint (or signs, signals, etc) is useless.